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*:Yes, my wiki was previously on Miraheze, before getting moved to here. [[User:Sapphire Jack|Sapphire Jack]] ([[User talk:Sapphire Jack|talk]]) 03:54, 12 May 2026 (UTC) | *:Yes, my wiki was previously on Miraheze, before getting moved to here. [[User:Sapphire Jack|Sapphire Jack]] ([[User talk:Sapphire Jack|talk]]) 03:54, 12 May 2026 (UTC) | ||
*:I’ve also used fandom [[User:Sapphire Jack|Sapphire Jack]] ([[User talk:Sapphire Jack|talk]]) 03:54, 12 May 2026 (UTC) | *:I’ve also used fandom [[User:Sapphire Jack|Sapphire Jack]] ([[User talk:Sapphire Jack|talk]]) 03:54, 12 May 2026 (UTC) | ||
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*<s>{{oppose}} submitting an opposition. I strongly encourage the candidate to explore alternative ways to contribute that do not involve advanced permissions before requesting any such permissions. Furthermore, I do not currently feel comfortable granting advanced permissions to someone who is not well-known within the community without demonstrating the necessary skills and trust required for these permissions. Being a moderator alone does not justify sufficient experience to warrant the level of expertise needed for these permissions, as there is much more involved than merely understanding the fundamentals of moderating MediaWiki functions and knowing how to utilize the tools. --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 16:31, 12 May 2026 (UTC)</s> | *<s>{{oppose}} submitting an opposition. I strongly encourage the candidate to explore alternative ways to contribute that do not involve advanced permissions before requesting any such permissions. Furthermore, I do not currently feel comfortable granting advanced permissions to someone who is not well-known within the community without demonstrating the necessary skills and trust required for these permissions. Being a moderator alone does not justify sufficient experience to warrant the level of expertise needed for these permissions, as there is much more involved than merely understanding the fundamentals of moderating MediaWiki functions and knowing how to utilize the tools. --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 16:31, 12 May 2026 (UTC)</s> | ||
*:Struck due to the use of LLMs in this comment. --'''[[User:Zippy|zippy]]'''[[User talk:Zippy|bonzo]]''' ([[Special:Contributions/Zippy|c]] • [[Special:CentralAuth/Zippy|ca]]) 16:34, 12 May 2026 (UTC) | *:Struck due to the use of LLMs in this comment. --'''[[User:Zippy|zippy]]'''[[User talk:Zippy|bonzo]]''' ([[Special:Contributions/Zippy|c]] • [[Special:CentralAuth/Zippy|ca]]) 16:34, 12 May 2026 (UTC) | ||
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*:: oppose- However, there is still no policy which Underlines such [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 17:26, 12 May 2026 (UTC) | *:: oppose- However, there is still no policy which Underlines such [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 17:26, 12 May 2026 (UTC) | ||
*:::Again, it's frowned upon, and removes any validity from your argument, the whole point is simply they "don't have enough experience", but you could've just written that instead of a paragraph of incoherent blabber that I makes little to no sense --'''[[User:Zippy|zippy]]'''[[User talk:Zippy|bonzo]]''' ([[Special:Contributions/Zippy|c]] • [[Special:CentralAuth/Zippy|ca]]) 17:32, 12 May 2026 (UTC) | *:::Again, it's frowned upon, and removes any validity from your argument, the whole point is simply they "don't have enough experience", but you could've just written that instead of a paragraph of incoherent blabber that I makes little to no sense --'''[[User:Zippy|zippy]]'''[[User talk:Zippy|bonzo]]''' ([[Special:Contributions/Zippy|c]] • [[Special:CentralAuth/Zippy|ca]]) 17:32, 12 May 2026 (UTC) | ||
*I note for the record on this tangent that it is not ideal to strike a full voting comment. Where its usefulness comes in, like what kind of argument it makes or even the fact its an llm, would be a post-closure determination. It would weigh rather less for being incoherent or wrong, while it may have greater influence if it is well reasoned. I believe this is the steward duty, rather than a pre emptive full strike since the alternative is people just don't offer reasoning at all, like what actually happened. I do agree the initial position was rather nonsensical. Now 'collapsing' this section so it is less of a confusing read later. --'''[[User:Raidarr|raidarr]]''' '''('''[[User_talk:Raidarr|📡]]''')''' 22:08, 14 May 2026 (UTC) | |||
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*{{support|weak}}: ultimately I don't see a major difference between your credibility and that of the other GS/Stews. I think there's room here to coach and grow. The work on IBW — wrangling a fairly substantial number of misbehaving children without leaving it as someone else's problem — is definitely something in your favour, however I don't know whether GS is the way to go for this. I commend you throwing your hat into the ring. I implore to you that if this request does succeed that you take things slowly and learn how they work before doing anything drastic, but generally I don't have any significant concerns beyond the general lack of experience, although it's not incomparable to what already exists on the team, and I'd hope you could shape into a fairly active contributor globally with the right guidance, but I won't jump the gun there. Best, --'''[[User:Zippy|zippy]]'''[[User talk:Zippy|bonzo]]''' ([[Special:Contributions/Zippy|c]] • [[Special:CentralAuth/Zippy|ca]]) 17:24, 12 May 2026 (UTC) | *{{support|weak}}: ultimately I don't see a major difference between your credibility and that of the other GS/Stews. I think there's room here to coach and grow. The work on IBW — wrangling a fairly substantial number of misbehaving children without leaving it as someone else's problem — is definitely something in your favour, however I don't know whether GS is the way to go for this. I commend you throwing your hat into the ring. I implore to you that if this request does succeed that you take things slowly and learn how they work before doing anything drastic, but generally I don't have any significant concerns beyond the general lack of experience, although it's not incomparable to what already exists on the team, and I'd hope you could shape into a fairly active contributor globally with the right guidance, but I won't jump the gun there. Best, --'''[[User:Zippy|zippy]]'''[[User talk:Zippy|bonzo]]''' ([[Special:Contributions/Zippy|c]] • [[Special:CentralAuth/Zippy|ca]]) 17:24, 12 May 2026 (UTC) | ||
*{{oppose}} --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 17:31, 12 May 2026 (UTC) | *{{oppose}} --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 17:31, 12 May 2026 (UTC) | ||
*:Just so you know, I’m not just a moderator on the wiki, I’m the owner. I’ve been working with different stewards for quite some time now, and have been moderating for nearly a year now. Raidarr is a steward on miraheze, so he can fill you in on the details about his experience with me when the wiki was on miraheze. [[User:Sapphire Jack|Sapphire Jack]] ([[User talk:Sapphire Jack|talk]]) 21:29, 12 May 2026 (UTC) | *:Just so you know, I’m not just a moderator on the wiki, I’m the owner. I’ve been working with different stewards for quite some time now, and have been moderating for nearly a year now. Raidarr is a steward on miraheze, so he can fill you in on the details about his experience with me when the wiki was on miraheze. [[User:Sapphire Jack|Sapphire Jack]] ([[User talk:Sapphire Jack|talk]]) 21:29, 12 May 2026 (UTC) | ||
*{{Neutral}} [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 00:58, 13 May 2026 (UTC) | *{{Neutral}} [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 00:58, 13 May 2026 (UTC) | ||
*going to go with an {{oppose}} here, while I applaud your efforts and acknowledge you've been helpful but I personally believe the GA toolset is too advanced for someone who has little presence outside their own wiki. I don't think simply having experience managing your own wiki makes you qualified for such a large hat. I would suggest trying to build a helpful presence such as on our Discord or here on meta. [[User:Crystalite13|Crystalite13]] ([[User talk:Crystalite13|talk]]) 21:00, 14 May 2026 (UTC) | *going to go with an {{oppose}} here, while I applaud your efforts and acknowledge you've been helpful but I personally believe the GA toolset is too advanced for someone who has little presence outside their own wiki. I don't think simply having experience managing your own wiki makes you qualified for such a large hat. I would suggest trying to build a helpful presence such as on our Discord or here on meta. [[User:Crystalite13|Crystalite13]] ([[User talk:Crystalite13|talk]]) 21:00, 14 May 2026 (UTC) | ||