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 == DarkMatterMan4500 (Global Patroller) ==
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+::'''Successful''' -[[User:Globe|Globe]] ([[User talk:Globe|talk]]) 00:56, 24 May 2026 (UTC)
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 Hi, I am DarkMatterMan4500 from Miraheze, and I want to apply for the [[Global Patrollers]] permission here on WikiOasis, based on my experiences from Miraheze, since I have been working hard on clearing away vandalism all across the wikifarm for the [[mh:m:CVT|counter-vandalism team]] from said wikifarm. Now, I understand that some of you may have questions and concerns for me, and I'll do my best to answer them in the best way I can, so feel free to give your [[mh:allthetropes:Brutal Honesty|honest opinions]] without sugarcoating anything. I am fully aware that Global Patrollers can block users all across the WikiOasis wikis (regardless of where the [[w:WP:DISRUPT|disruption]] is taking place), delete pages, revisions, and use the basic tools, but with limited options, something that I'm willing to take as a fellow editor. --[[User:DarkMatterMan4500|DarkMatterMan4500]] ([[User talk:DarkMatterMan4500|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/DarkMatterMan4500|contribs]]) 15:57, 18 May 2026 (UTC)
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 *{{support|Strongest}} Per Fearless. [[User:AlPaD|AlPaD]] ([[User talk:AlPaD|talk]]) 09:05, 21 May 2026 (UTC)
 *{{support|Strongest}} --[[User:PinkPugPrincess|PinkPugPrincess]] ([[User talk:PinkPugPrincess|talk]]) 12:05, 21 May 2026 (UTC)
-*{{support|strong}} . his behaviour is unacceptable --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 23:24, 23 May 2026 (UTC)
+*{{support}}  --[[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 00:22, 24 May 2026 (UTC)
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-*{{support}}. I, too, have been pondering on this for a while, and Globe's involvement in the project is very much hurting, rather than helping. Constant spats with Zippy, constant dictatorial actions. I'm done with Globe, and I think it's his time to move on from the project. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:18, 22 May 2026 (UTC)
+*<s>{{support}}. I, too, have been pondering on this for a while, and Globe's involvement in the project is very much hurting, rather than helping. Constant spats with Zippy, constant dictatorial actions. I'm done with Globe, and I think it's his time to move on from the project. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 20:18, 22 May 2026 (UTC)</s>
+*:{{oppose}}, this seems to have turned into purely a personal spat, and I suggest a boomerang for those involved. [[User:Justarandomamerican|Justarandomamerican]] ([[User talk:Justarandomamerican|talk]]) 03:30, 24 May 2026 (UTC)
 *{{support}} - [[User:FNFGamer718|FNFGamer718]] ([[User talk:FNFGamer718|talk]]) 20:23, 22 May 2026 (UTC)
 *{{support}} - No offense, but he has to go and move on. A lot of times Globe and Zippy are usually arguing at each other for something that is just nonsensical. Additionally, the ideal he wants to be enforced is just dictatorial and delusional, everyone has human rights, and one of our rights is the right to have our own opinion. [[User:Fearless|Fearless]] ([[User talk:Fearless|talk]]) 20:28, 22 May 2026 (UTC)
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 *:::Any way you want to say it is untrue. Google themselves requires 2FA for superadmins, it is not a board matter. [[User:Globe|Globe]] ([[User talk:Globe|talk]]) 20:50, 22 May 2026 (UTC)
 *::::Again, I do not have access to the channel but someone such as tali who retains access could check, you were saying you wanted to motion the board to remove the 2FA requirements that I had personally set on Google, as well as that which was set on Discord --'''[[User:Zippy|zippy]]'''[[User talk:Zippy|bonzo]]''' ([[Special:Contributions/Zippy|c]] • [[Special:CentralAuth/Zippy|ca]]) 20:54, 22 May 2026 (UTC)
+* {{oppose}} My main statement “debunking” a lot of false claims made by Fearless and Zippy can be found in the subsection below, however, there are a few things I want to add here. This entire thread is a personal spite with not a shard of proof, other than “well I think I remember you said…” Whatever the reason for the spite request for removal is, I’m not exactly sure. Zippybonzo has already informed all of the volunteers of his intention to leave WikiOasis and start a new farm after the board refused to allow him to make WikiOasis an “exclusive farm” where only select wikis would be able to be created. He specifically mention the Italian Brainrot wiki and others that would not meet his ideals. Zippybonzo wants WikiOasis to be exactly what he wants and I am the only one who actively stands up to that. If standing on that is what causes me to lose my steward role, then so be it. [[User:Globe|Globe]] ([[User talk:Globe|talk]]) 01:47, 24 May 2026 (UTC)
-=== Globe's CheckUser Usage Discussion ===
+*:For posterity: the subsection Globe is referring to has been removed due to it containing messages from internal volunteer channels. [[User:Tali64³|Tali64³]] ([[User talk:Tali64³|talk]]) 02:19, 24 May 2026 (UTC)
-Hello everyone, I would like to bring light to how apparently Globe uses CheckUser permissions to check other user's information without any actual evidence, just doing CU whenever he feels "suspicious" about someone.
+*::Those channels are not held privately under NDA, so I see no reason why they cannot be partially shared publicly for the sake of this discussion --'''[[User:Zippy|zippy]]'''[[User talk:Zippy|bonzo]]''' ([[Special:Contributions/Zippy|c]] • [[Special:CentralAuth/Zippy|ca]]) 05:05, 24 May 2026 (UTC)
+*:::"Not under NDA" does not necessarily mean "OK to share" - when private messages get shares publicly, it's usually done as a gotcha rather than in an attempt to legitimately substantiate your claims; in cases where messages from internal channels ''are'' relevant, there's typically no reason why you'd directly quote them rather than paraphrasing (which gets the message across just as well). [[User:Tali64³|Tali64³]] ([[User talk:Tali64³|talk]]) 05:12, 24 May 2026 (UTC)
-Zippy has told Globe in an internal volunteer channel that: "I don't like that you randomly run checkusers on people who show no behavioral evidence of needing a check with no reason attached."
+*::::If I paraphrase it gets accused of it being a personal spat, such as with the 2FA matter where these claims are now seen as "unsubstantiated" despite the fact those messages were shared in private channels that you were a part of --'''[[User:Zippy|zippy]]'''[[User talk:Zippy|bonzo]]''' ([[Special:Contributions/Zippy|c]] • [[Special:CentralAuth/Zippy|ca]]) 05:25, 24 May 2026 (UTC)
-For volunteers who has access - go [https://discord.com/channels/1299761391523205273/1494723448482693141/1503881626445152317 here] regarding about the message I am referencing.
+*:::::Fair point. [[User:Tali64³|Tali64³]] ([[User talk:Tali64³|talk]]) 05:27, 24 May 2026 (UTC)
+*:First part about there not being a shard of proof has been detailed somewhat above — calling it an attempt to spite would be a stretch, I am of the belief that your behaviour which has been ongoing for months, where you call out people who quite often have done nothing wrong for not being "professional", which has never been a requirement to volunteer, is counter-productive and leads to weekly arguments. The board never "refused", I had simply discussed the concept with a few volunteers, and at no point did I ever raise it to a formal board discussion, so this is just entirely untrue. Namedropping IBW in an attempt to get them to become upset and go "Globe is sticking up for us let's make sure he keeps his steward bit" is also unnecessary, I have no problems with them existing here now, but in hindsight they should probably not have been accepted here on so many grounds, notwithstanding the community element. --'''[[User:Zippy|zippy]]'''[[User talk:Zippy|bonzo]]''' ([[Special:Contributions/Zippy|c]] • [[Special:CentralAuth/Zippy|ca]]) 05:38, 24 May 2026 (UTC)
-This is extremely concerning as PII should be handled securely and can't be done for any reason unless there is probable reason that Cross-Wiki abuse is happening via the usage of multiple user accounts.
+* {{oppose}} I agree with JR+  I don't see any evidence to support the claims made against globe [[User:Cocopuff2018|Cocopuff2018]] ([[User talk:Cocopuff2018|talk]]) 04:11, 24 May 2026 (UTC)
+I'm going to just make a more detailed version of my initial statement to address some of the issues raised here:
-I would like Zippy/other uninvolved Stewards to explain more if there is additional details regarding Globe's CU usage and Globe to explain themselves.
+* I don't think this is entirely a personal spat, ultimately it stems from the fact that short of me entirely leaving the project which I don't see as a feasible option without it dying a very slow and quite painful death, there is no other way to stop the constant arguments that happen internally, that are almost entirely between me and Globe. I will admit I instigate just as many arguments between us, but ultimately it's a conflict that I don't see any other way really to end. I do know how it can be seen as a personal spat, but I really don't see a way forward for my involvement while Globe is here in the position that he is.
+* With regards to the misuse of CheckUser, I have not conducted nor been involved in a full audit, however there are approximately 300 checks across all wikis that Globe has performed, of which 90% had no reason attached to them. When 1 in 10 checks are unclear to others about why exactly they are being performed. Even if they were from SuggestedInvestigations, 96% of his checks from before the feature was even implemented didn't have a reason. This obfuscation makes it unclear why checks are being ran, I assume all are for the most part legitimate checks, but when so many checks don't have a reason I find it hard to AGF.
-I genuinely believe Globe wants all the power to themselves and does not want the best for WikiOasis, as evidenced by him becoming a dictator and attempting to control volunteer's right to hold their opinions, keep the board's ability to appoint roles, and finally apparently doing CU unilaterally on seeming innocent users who has done nothing. Until Globe is completely removed from all volunteer positions, including being a Director of the WikiOasis Foundation Board, I may consider withholding information in respective volunteer channels as I cannot trust Globe since they have started arguments countless times for the dumbest reasons, alongside taking all the power to themselves and apparently doing CU on users with zero evidence and need to use it. --[[User:Fearless|Fearless]] ([[User talk:Fearless|talk]]) 11:48, 23 May 2026 (UTC)
+* There is a wider pattern of poor handling of PII, for example, internally I have been pushing to use Slack for NDAed communications, such as board, T&S and tech. Globe is seemingly entirely opposed to moving stewards onto Slack, which is a safer place for PII as it means that a rouge discord admin can't grant someone a role which would then give them access to a fairly substantial amount of PII shared in various channels.
+* I will clear up a lot on the 2FA part:
-:This statement is concerning on many levels. {{quote|Apparently Globe uses CheckUser permissions to check other user's information without any actual evidence.}}
+** Firstly, Globe did not actually motion the board, based on my recollection it was simply some form of threat to push for removing 2FA as a requirement on Discord.
-:Is simply not true. I frankly don’t use the CheckUser tool that often, and I’ve made exactly one check in the month of May. Most (90% or more) of my checks originate from the extension SuggestedInvestigations. It flags when multiple users originate from the same IP or user agent, along with a few other things like disposable emails. I don’t really look at user agents or disposable emails as warranting a check, but if I see 5 accounts with similar usernames, editing patterns, and they’re showing up in suggested investigations, yeah, I’m going to make that check. I have forgotten to place a reason in some of my checks (but they can usually be assumed to be “triggered by suggested investigations”), and for that I do apologize, but I am always willing to explain my checks to the steward team as the privacy policy allows.
+** Secondly, regarding that it is "untrue" — I appreciate there may be gaps in what I can say here as it happened a while ago in the board discord server, there were frequent discussions from Globe surrounding him wanting to get rid of 2FA requirements.
-:<br>
+** I primarily recall Globe making a threat/statement along the lines of "please remove 2FA from Discord or I will motion the board", this was corroborated by a message that I sent to someone in April where I said 'did I mention globe has threatened to motion the board surrounding the requirement for 2fa in discord/google' — which to me reiterates my belief that Globe was going to consider using his board role to remove a 2FA requirement on discord.
-:Further,
+* With regards to how Globe says he was the first to support the motion surrounding community governance, I do not doubt that, however it took a lot of pushback. Globe had prepared a form for people to express interest in becoming global volunteers, which in response to I expressed the general sentiment that I would prefer we go for the system of publicly requested roles voted on by the community, to which he very literally said "no" without any further discussion. Below is a transcript of that interaction:
-:{{quote|becoming a dictator and attempting to control volunteer's right to hold their opinions}}
+** Globe: <link to global permission interest form>
-:is also untrue. For context, Fearless is upset about me calling multiple statements of his in our public server (or those of Mira/our communities) unacceptable. Some examples:
+** [cut 7 messages unrelated about another wiki]
-:“I already told the stewards that I don't want the IBW to be here from the very start... IBW is just a massive mess and jank that I dislike having to deal with
+** Globe (replying to link above): should i publish?<br>wanted your OK first
-:Asking an established wiki community of ours if they had been banned from Mira and why they chose WikiOasis over Miraheze
+** Zippy: I'd rather we did proper community requests<br>on an RfP page
-:“oasis is basically like a not so great training academy [for mira volunteers] but it works."
+** Globe: no<br>any other concerns?
-:“I do know so I can make the comment. But WO is in no position to host such a wiki (Italian brainrot wiki]. We have zero manpower."
+* Furthermore, Globe has made it clear to me how he doesn't want me to be anything beyond a tech here, in multiple messages that echo a similar sentiment, saying "no one has asked you to be a steward, safety, discord mod, etc."
-:His constant demeaning of the Italian Brainrot Wiki and honestly WO as a whole in both public spaces (and private ones, which I won’t share for his privacy) is concerning. I have no issue with him (or anyone) holding an opinion, but being constantly degrading to people who are working hard on their wiki in public spaces is not the conduct I expect from a volunteer.
+* Then there's the handling of two fairly large wiki migrations which ultimately went unsuccessfully and I question largely.
-:<br>
+**Wikinews was shutdown by the WMF in early May, and one person who edited Wikinews (won't name them here to avoid outing them) joined the WO discord and wanted to move Wikinews to WO (along with 1-2 others), despite no consensus existing from the existing Wikinews community based on Meta discussions, and discussions ongoing between MH and the WMF surrounding the copyright. Despite this, newswiki was created in what I can only describe as an overzealous attempt to move a community with no consensus. This prompted me being privately told by an onlooker that WO was not a "serious enough project for anyone other than you", and they had encouraged newswiki not to stay with WO.
-:{{quote|keep the board's ability to appoint roles}}
+**Sneaky Sasquatch Wiki was considering a move from Fandom, to either WO, MH, WG or WGG — the aggressive attitude of Globe (and others) at very quickly joining their Discord after one of their bureaucrats had asked for advice in the WO discord and pushing very aggressively for them to join WO, to the point that those in their community had become suspicious. I then followed, having already been in the server since before the founding of WO as a periodic player of the game. I was mostly giving the advice to them that while WO is very similar to MH, they may get somewhat better service from MH/WG, effectively saying that I don't always agree with what goes on at WO, trying to give the sentiment of "it’s not the best space for every wiki". Globe apparently took this as me attempting to disparage WO, saying verbatim that "nobody had asked me to join, that I did so of my own accord to share information that would not make them migrate". I am genuinely of the belief that not every wiki is one that best suits WO, and equally so that WO doesn't best suit every wiki, and forcing a community into something they themselves aren't sure of is simply dishonest and would cause more long term damage than simply encouraging them to find the best host for them.
-:More lies, unfortunately. I was the first to support the motion to allow the community to directly elect stewards, global sysops, and global patrollers. I was definitely initially skeptical, but ever since the first round of votes, I’ve been in support of it because of the great turnout. [[User:Globe|Globe]] ([[User talk:Globe|talk]]) 14:13, 23 May 2026 (UTC)
+I hope this clears things up for those who are confused. --'''[[User:Zippy|zippy]]'''[[User talk:Zippy|bonzo]]''' ([[Special:Contributions/Zippy|c]] • [[Special:CentralAuth/Zippy|ca]]) 06:57, 24 May 2026 (UTC)